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官方資料，附官方必靚Samples：
http://www.leica-camera.us/photography/ ... /summarit/

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Terry Shum
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係 Zeiss Ikon 年代基本上任何同級產品都係 Zeiss 貴過 Leitz

例如 Contax II / III, IIa / IIIa VS Leica Screw Mount

不用說 Contarex VS Leicaflex

http://www.cameraquest.com/prices38.htm

所以小弟常常說喜歡 Zeiss 比喜歡 Leica 需要更大勇氣.........

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Wah
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Terry 兄指的暫時只是對比 Sonnar 85/2 ZM 吧？

但這鏡與 Leica 新的 90/2.5 是不同級數.........

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MIG or MIJ is not a matter of concern today ..

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Summicrom 75mm F2 ASPH分分鐘有機會平過支Sonnar 85mm F2.
Summarit 75mm F2.5終於帶來了“窮人75“。

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Terry Shum
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If ASPH. becomes Leica's legendary history, the price of existing will grow up again.

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Terry Shum
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平得個少少, 但係就唔包Hood同Hood Cap, 淨係呢度都去左成千幾銀啦!
皮套又即刻變尼龍套, 仲要冇非球面鏡, 計落點都係買Summicron化算.
好彩仲Keep番Metal Cap.

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Terry Shum
香港互聯網康泰時攝影會幹事

剛睇完阿Puts篇睇法：

Weight and size differences are as follows: (length, width, diameter, weight, close focus range, price)
Summicron 35 = 34.5; 53; E39; 255 gr; 0.7 meter; Euro 2150
Summarit 35 = 34.0; 51.4; E39; 220 gr; 0.8 meter; Euro 1250
Summicron 50 = 43.5; 53; E39; 240 gr; 0.7 meter; Euro 1450
Summarit 50 = 33.0; 51.5; E39; 230 gr; 0.8 meter; Euro 1000
Summicron 75 = 66.8; 58; E49; 430 gr; 0.7 meter; Ero 2395
Summarit 75 = 60.5; 55; E46; 345 gr; 0.9 meter; Euro 1250
Summicron 90 = 78; 64; E55; 500 gr; 1 meter; Euro 2595
Summarit 90 = 66.5; 55; E46; 360 gr; 1 meter; Euro 1250

好似真係平喎，看來Leica的目標除了收藏家及炒家外，終於也照顧一下攝影家了。

75同90兩支鏡加上了橡膠對焦環，實在大殺M系風景。

希望Leica改用Standard玻璃及改為Mass Production後，仍然有奶味。

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Terry Shum
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想當年支 Rollei Sonnar 40/2.8 HFT 都係 Made in Germany

不過從鏡桶設計同物料看............好明顯是就是由 Cosina 提供的

鏡片及組裝工作應該則由 Rollei 負責............所以最終都是 Made in Germany

其實由 C/Y 年代至 ZM 的 MIG 鏡應該都是以上述模式生產

為應付 Summarit-M 的低價格及大量需求.............個人覺得 Leica 不可能不把鏡身組件等材料作 OEM 生產

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Wah
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我想Leica要快D同Panasonic出番部平價版M8配合.

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Terry Shum
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I read the article from Puts as well.............but "Made in Solms" would never imply every single parts to be made in the Leica factory in Solms

Just as many glass materials of Leica should be provided by Hoya as well

Regarding the price, the Summarit-M would be nice to fill the gap between ZM and the ASPHs

so the situation would be changing from CV < ZM << ASPH

to CV < ZM < Summarit-M < ASPH

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Wah
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This is probably the most popular comment that I can see from the Leica fans upon the release of Summarit-M...............kind of envy for the low price of ZMs?

Let us make a sensible and rational analysis..........the current line of Summarit-M are 35/2.5, 50/2.5, 75/2.5 and 90/2.5

And the respective lenses in the ZM lines are Biogon 35/2, Planar 50/2, C Sonnar 50/1.5 and Sonnar 85/2

The Sonnar 85/2 (if it is really going to be avaliable) would be direct competitor with 90/2 AA...........

75mm is an unique offer from Leica, so Leica M users can only choose from 75/2.5, 75/2 AA or lux 75/1.4

For the battle field of 50mm, the price of Summarit-M 50/2.5 should be around HKD$8000 after discount from list price, while the current market price of C Sonnar 50/1.5 is around $6500 (hong good), Planar 50/2 is around $4800 (hong good), no more water good for Leica (missed Keung Kee so much) and the water good price of ZM can be 10% even lower

So one can see there are entirely 3 different choices. Either $8000 for a MIG but with f/2.5, or $6000 for a MIJ but with 1 1/2 stop faster, or with 50% less of $4000 for a Planar 50/2

The real impact to ZM would be on the 35mm. The ZM Biogon 35/2 should be around $6200 (hong good), while the Summarit-M with just half stop slower would be priced around $10000. It would be struggle for one with limited budget to decide on picking the Biogon 35/2 and Summarit-M 35/2.5 (though there is still $4000 difference)

The best selling ZM lenses are always for the wide-angles (21/4.5, 21/2.8, 25/2.8, 28/2.8 ). Hope to see further action by Leica as well!

Am I being too much Zeiss biased?

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Wah
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大家睇清楚幾支新Summarit-M, 覺得似Panasonic定Olympus?

Leica Summarit-M 75mm


Panasonic D Summilux


Leica Summarit-M 50mm


Olympus Zuiko Digital

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Terry Shum
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I am not that concerned with where the material originate or where the lens is made. IMHO, the typical prejudice of origin is only a self induced factor.

While this might prove a factor in those market say Chine, Taiwna, and Japan, the wider World wide market Leica do want to gain is not too keen on these petty matters.

In the end, though if Leica do want to broaden their business, they had to had not just the lens but the platform. Oh sure, they can expect Cosina to have budget M bodies sort of, and Zeiss Ikon also, but people who are buying those bodies are more likely to be acceptable to non leica lens also so really that put the competetion again up front.

In short, still the business need infusion of market share, and that can only be gain with decent reasonably priced lens and bodies , film and digital, the M8 is not the solution, the Summarit-M lineup is a step in the right direction.

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好彩, 幾驚佢出APS鏡for digital only......

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Terry Shum
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