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I have some questions would like any brother to teach me.
I read some book that they said it is better use the SRGB for scan etc. because you can get all same color as you see on monitor(including print out)
The equipment that I owned :
Philips LCD Monitor 17" [170B]
Scanner : 9000ED
PhotoShop : ver 7.
Before I do calibration, I reset the monitor as factory default and disable other third parties like Matrox or adobe gamma.
After I finished, I use the new color managment profile (not SRGB and only has 6.5K color temp.)
The questions is the 9000ED only has RGB but no SRGB, the Photoshop has SRGB but my monitor managemnet setting not use SRGB. How do I know the film that I scan, the color is all same between the hardware and the software.
Besides, if I burn into the CD (convert to JPEG) then ask the shop to print out, how do I know the print out result is same as I saw on my monitor ?
As my poor and few experience, normal the print shop only print JPEG format, in this case if I convert the file from TIFF to JPEG the quality will be lower.
Please teach me the right way from calibrate the montior to scan a film,especially how to matching the scan; monitor etc. color.
Sorry for post a little bit long message in here.
* if it is very difficult to explain here, please let me know and I would like to talk about this on phone.
Appreciate all brothers !

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你問了幾個問題

1) color space 的決擇 ...

2) 乜係 sRGB .. 同 RGB 有乜唔同

3) 點 Cal Monitor & Nikon Coolscan 9000ED

4) 點 match 印相 What you scan is what you print

Sorry to ask so many questions due to I only have few (or no) experience about this, and I would like someone to teach me. if you do not mind could you tell or teach me your value experience ?

硬件0.00%調校,只是Windows XP與Vista之間,已經两個世界,未計Mac机

Thanks your advise, I use Win2KSP4 and will not upgrade to XP or Vista within this year.
You indicated no need to do tunning in H/W do you meant the Monitor color no need to calibrate ?
Appreciate your comment in advance !

首先，明白 OS color profile 同 Monitor 點 cal 法。

--> Win2K
--> Monitor 說明書

章魚大大,後輩一問到尾
LCD MON,校極都會偏色,大大你情願偏什麽色

Ba Bi兄 9000ED好毒呀,原廠預設值,+PS 少少curves已經
MONITOR才是艱苦

你得一句 校極都會偏色 點研究 ?

章魚せんせい
1) I do not do any calibration in my OS
2) I do not use the PS Gamma profile
3) I do not use the matrox profile setting
4) I do use the color management profile that created by Spyderpro2
5) Before use the Spyderpro2 I follow the manual to reset the LCD monitor to manufacturer default setting.
6) I switch on my room full spectrum lamp which color tem is 5,500K
7) When I do scnning the film, I use the 9000ED default setting
I use postive film (color bar chart) from AGFA for testing and I found out only the Purple Bar a little bit different between the LCD monitor and the postive film
* anything I need to improve ?

後輩一名, 插個花.

我現在的情況與你相似, 只是downgrade左, 不是9000ed, 只是4000ed, 但我相信新款機在調校方面應該會更好.

我個人發現欣喜既係用過蜘蛛tune mon後, 情況已有明顯改善. 雖然tune mon只是色管這汪洋大海中的冰山一角, 但已是很重要的第一步.

既然你已跟足隻蜘蛛tune mon, 理論上一般的setting都係6500k 2.2 for win, 佢應該會自行設定成預設profile, 唯獨最重要係 tune 的時候要關閉 adobe gamma, 否則, 你tune乜都無用!!

因此, 房燈一般5500K-6500K都好正, 一般黎講, 隻蜘蛛係可以計算埋外間的色溫, 然後來做個profile, 係tune mon細心d設定就可以.

既然mon與電腦呢一環okay(output), 咁input就係scan的部份.

有些人要求高的人會買套IT8來 CAL scanner, 但我買了一套回來後, 發現佢似係做一個模仿不同正片的profile似d, 等你日後掃rvp就插入rvp的profile, 無咁偏色, 但我聽聞5系與9系的偏色已無過往4系與8系般嚴重, 所以你可以試下才決定.

9000ED裏的設定, 應該有三大欄: MON, RGB, CYMK

MON的地方你要找返蜘蛛幫你做的那個profile.

RGB一般有五個揀, 由寬到窄, 一般常用係Adobe1998同sRGB, 若你預左大執的話, 就用adobe RGB, 否則就用sRGB. 因為前者色域較寬, 彈性較大.

不過, 無論你選那一個, 在PS時你的Working profile都要set返一樣, 而且要記住nikon的profile係自家的, 有少少跟一地不同.

所以, 例如你選了adobe來scan, save後你的檔就有這個色域, 但在ps時你卻不是用adobe1998, 而是應該找返nkadobe個working 才對. 你要到scanner 的 directory裏找找就會發現.

執好後, 轉返個sRGB, 因為一般MON和網上或其他OUTPUT都係用sRGB, 甚至更窄的色域, 除非你用緊EIZO的高檔MON, 就應該已支援Adobe RGB就另作別論啦!!!

小小分享, 有錯請指正.

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Billyting C-Hing, Thank you very much your value informaiton and make me much cleary about this issue.
I think I am not worry about the monitor calibration due to I follow the Spyder instruciton and also my room lighting is 5.5K (it is a full spectrum lamp). Only I concern is when I finish scanning the film and give the print shop (like FotoXX etc.) will the photos delivery same as my file. I will try your suggestion and give the print shop for delivery.
I am apprecaite your value information again !

噢, 原來你concern呢樣, 咁我可以話.......無計!!

以我作為快x美的長期客戶的經驗所得, 就算你出返個最窄最通用的sRGB, 佢出來的相也不一定(甚至係不可能)跟你的file一樣, 很簡單, 因為佢唔會有你個色域檔麻, 除非你同店主好熟, 熟到佢願意為你save個色域入佢個腦到專登幫你出相. 這做法好似我估除非廣告公司, 否則都好少會幫你咁做.

因為正如上個post提到, 就算話作sRGB, 都未必個個一樣, 佢富士跟機那個又未必一定係hp那個IEC61966-2.1, nikon自家那個又唔同.....

加上, 佢print 相的時候, 部魔術手會set返sRGB出, 還是用cymk出呢, 又唔知, 而cymk比sRGB更窄, 所以出來效果一定唔同. 這道理同樣應用在自行print的情況, 所以一般色管公司, 如colorvision都會出埋 cal print 的色管產品, 如: printfix pro.

佢係一個分光儀, 你用printer print 張色版出黎, 係上面一格格咁話返比電腦知甚麼紙質上的顏色是怎樣的, 佢就會為printer在這種紙質下出個profile, 到時你用這返呢隻紙就可以出返跟你個file一樣的output啦, 當然呢個野係低檔野, 五千幾有找, 上次上去北光吹水時, 佢話高檔次講緊係幾萬到幾十萬不等, 分別在於分辨色版細仔能力囉.

所以, 你要output跟file一樣, 最好就係自己print啦.....

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Billy Ting
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capture one真係好野係架, 不過係有時都會扭下計咁啫.

係working profile中, 我會set working 為adobe RGB, 而web 就sRGB, 咁到輸出時, 就可以:
1. 排版, 或後制就出adobe-->因為一般ps我會set working為adobe, 到時再開時就不用又再由srgb轉返adobe, loss data啦!!
2. print 相就set web output

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噢, 原來你concern呢樣, 咁我可以話.......無計!!

以我作為快x美的長期客戶的經驗所得, 就算你出返個最窄最通用的sRGB, 佢出來的相也不一定(甚至係不可能)跟你的file一樣, 很簡單, 因為佢唔會有你個色域檔麻, 除非你同店主好熟, 熟到佢願意為你save個色域入佢個腦到專登幫你出相. 這做法好似我估除非廣告公司, 否則都好少會幫你咁做.

因為正如上個post提到, 就算話作sRGB, 都未必個個一樣, 佢富士跟機那個又未必一定係hp那個IEC61966-2.1, nikon自家那個又唔同.....

加上, 佢print 相的時候, 部魔術手會set返sRGB出, 還是用cymk出呢, 又唔知, 而cymk比sRGB更窄, 所以出來效果一定唔同. 這道理同樣應用在自行print的情況, 所以一般色管公司, 如colorvision都會出埋 cal print 的色管產品, 如: printfix pro.

佢係一個分光儀, 你用printer print 張色版出黎, 係上面一格格咁話返比電腦知甚麼紙質上的顏色是怎樣的, 佢就會為printer在這種紙質下出個profile, 到時你用這返呢隻紙就可以出返跟你個file一樣的output啦, 當然呢個野係低檔野, 五千幾有找, 上次上去北光吹水時, 佢話高檔次講緊係幾萬到幾十萬不等, 分別在於分辨色版細仔能力囉.

所以, 你要output跟file一樣, 最好就係自己print啦..... [/quote]

Billyting C-hing, I see and thank you your conculsion.
I concern about this issue because I am going to do scanning some 婚紗相and they took many years ago. You know I cannot take again because both of us are old
I wish that I can keep the record perhaps need to do print out again in the future.
By the way, I upload 2 images to [OTHERS] in Contax Club Forum, please take a look if you have time.
Again, thank you very much your value information and suggestions.
Have a nice day !